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ari
Hi everyone

With the Java FreeBSD mailing list pretty quiet, I thought I might ask
here whether anyone was working on porting the latest Java versions over
to FreeBSD. There is of coursethe https://adoptopenjdk.net/project, but
there is little activity immediately obvious on porting there [1].

While Java 8 will be quite satisfactory for a while, the longer Java
advances without BSD patches the harder it will be to bring across all
the good work done for Java 8 on FreeBSD.

Are there plans for the Foundation to sponsor some work in this area?
I'm guessing its pretty substantial.


Cheers

Ari



[1]
https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk11u/search?o=desc&q=bsd&s=committer-date&type=Commits

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Re: Java support

Kurt Jaeger-6
Hi!

> With the Java FreeBSD mailing list pretty quiet, I thought I might ask
> here whether anyone was working on porting the latest Java versions over
> to FreeBSD.

There's the openjdk port, java/openjdk8.

You are asking about input from the FreeBSD community to openjdk9, 10 and 11 ?

> While Java 8 will be quite satisfactory for a while, the longer Java
> advances without BSD patches the harder it will be to bring across all
> the good work done for Java 8 on FreeBSD.

This is correct.

> Are there plans for the Foundation to sponsor some work in this area?

Your point is, that the FreeBSD community should do regular testbuilds for

https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk9u/
https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk10u/
https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk11u/

and provide patches if something does not build or work, right ?

And, if necessary, fund someone to do that work ?

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Re: Java support

Constantine A. Murenin-2
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 04:19, Kurt Jaeger <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > With the Java FreeBSD mailing list pretty quiet, I thought I might ask
> > here whether anyone was working on porting the latest Java versions over
> > to FreeBSD.
>
> There's the openjdk port, java/openjdk8.
>
> You are asking about input from the FreeBSD community to openjdk9, 10 and
> 11 ?
>
> > While Java 8 will be quite satisfactory for a while, the longer Java
> > advances without BSD patches the harder it will be to bring across all
> > the good work done for Java 8 on FreeBSD.
>
> This is correct.
>
> > Are there plans for the Foundation to sponsor some work in this area?
>
> Your point is, that the FreeBSD community should do regular testbuilds for
>
> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk9u/
> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk10u/
> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk11u/
>
> and provide patches if something does not build or work, right ?
>
> And, if necessary, fund someone to do that work ?


Just looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_version_history, it
would appear that Java 9 and Java 10 are no longer supported, and, FWIIW,
Java 8 is actually planned to be supported longer than Java 11, at least in
the context of AdoptOpenJDK, so, there's that.

C.
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Re: Java support

ari
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On 21/2/19 9:18pm, Kurt Jaeger wrote:

> Are there plans for the Foundation to sponsor some work in this area?
> Your point is, that the FreeBSD community should do regular testbuilds for
>
> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk9u/
> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk10u/
> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk11u/
>
> and provide patches if something does not build or work, right ?
>
> And, if necessary, fund someone to do that work ?


Yes. Although I don't think there is a need to worry about the short
term releases 9 and 10. Only the LTS branches like JDK11 are being
supported by many OS vendors.

https://access.redhat.com/articles/1299013


My concern is that it might be beyond the capability of the open source
community to do the amount of work required here in a timely manner, and
so this might be an opportunity for the Foundation to step in and and
ensure this vital work is done. Perhaps ongoing maintenance is easier
once AdoptOpenJDK is brought up to speed on the BSD bits required.

Functioning Java is (IMO) a critical part of a modern server operating
system.


Cheers

Ari

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Re: Java support

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On 21/02/2019 18:00, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:

> On 21/2/19 9:18pm, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
>> Are there plans for the Foundation to sponsor some work in this area?
>> Your point is, that the FreeBSD community should do regular testbuilds
>> for
>>
>> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk9u/
>> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk10u/
>> https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk11u/
>>
>> and provide patches if something does not build or work, right ?
>>
>> And, if necessary, fund someone to do that work ?
>
>
> Yes. Although I don't think there is a need to worry about the short
> term releases 9 and 10. Only the LTS branches like JDK11 are being
> supported by many OS vendors.
>
> https://access.redhat.com/articles/1299013
>
>
> My concern is that it might be beyond the capability of the open source
> community to do the amount of work required here in a timely manner, and
> so this might be an opportunity for the Foundation to step in and and
> ensure this vital work is done. Perhaps ongoing maintenance is easier
> once AdoptOpenJDK is brought up to speed on the BSD bits required.
>
I don't think this is beyond the open source community's capabilities at
all; quite the opposite. The real crux is individual priorities.

Please refer to the following PR:
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222568

The last comment there is exactly the point of what I had typed in an
earlier incarnation of this email message before I had some second
thoughts on just how rude it could come off.

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Re: Java support

ari
On 22/2/19 4:12pm, Charlie Li wrote:
> I don't think this is beyond the open source community's capabilities at
> all; quite the opposite. The real crux is individual priorities.


Right now there is no publicly visible work on porting Java 11 (the only
version worth working on at this time I think). Someone may step up when
it becomes important enough to them. Or not.


> Please refer to the following PR:
> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222568
>
> The last comment there is exactly the point of what I had typed in an
> earlier incarnation of this email message before I had some second
> thoughts on just how rude it could come off.


Yeah, not especially helpful. Not everyone with a need for new Java has
the technical expertise to work on something as complex as porting a
JVM. I have considerable experience working in open source communities
and I know that the right confluence of people and tasks are not always
something you can predict.

I was hoping that either the FreeBSD Foundation might step up to this
problem or else some contributors might discuss efforts happening behind
closed doors. However I do think that a lack of modern Java is going to
bite into the credibility of FreeBSD as a server platform before long.

Are the sponsors behind the AdoptOpenJDK project interested in FreeBSD
as a platform? Are there conversations happening there to try and get
FreeBSD including in their test farm? Can the FreeBSD project assist by
making servers available, especially with the rumours of Travis downsizing?

Cheers

Ari


[1] https://adoptopenjdk.net/sponsors.html

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