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pathiaki2
Hi,

It looks like they are soooo close here.  Can't ports pick this up and put it in the collection?

http://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_on_FreeBSD

If you look at the Zimbra site for threads there are quite few with people asking for Zimbra on FreeBSD.

PLEASE! :-)

P.
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Re: Zimbra Port

Chris Rees-11
On 29 January 2013 15:22, Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It looks like they are soooo close here.  Can't ports pick this up and put it in the collection?
>
> http://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_on_FreeBSD
>
> If you look at the Zimbra site for threads there are quite few with people asking for Zimbra on FreeBSD.

At a glance it's a little less trivial than "picking it up and putting
it in the collection" :)

It probably wouldn't be too difficult, but someone would need to make
a tarball of the sources available, which may have licensing issues...
perhaps you could ask the author how he made the packages?

Chris
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Re: Zimbra Port

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Chris,

I dug into it hard just a few days ago.

Here's their issues:

Like most people who are "solely" Linux (I'm not solely anything, 25+ years in sysadmin, architecture, internet engineering, etc.), they don't understand where /opt came from and what its true, original purpose was.  (Additional OS enhancement software - directory was created circa 1990).  Most of the linux world believes that all additional software goes into /opt.

Happily, we have nullfs but more happily, ZFS.

ZFS creating /opt/zimbra or creating a zpool and zfs'ing it, whatever, solves this issue.  (In other words, poor use of auto-configuration tools and make variables that allow you to define a DESTDIR instead of hardcoding it.)  Performing a softlink or other things causes the install to totally blow up.

They guy who did the attempt at FreeBSD installation, did a decent job at figuring this out.  Everything, performing his procedure works as almost as directed. 

Things that are not to be liked about it:

He builds specific packages for the install and bundles them up with the install.
He creates three packages for the install, the builddeps, rundeps and source.
He then almost forces you to use these packages and his 'blessed ports packages" that he created to get it to install correctly instead of just using ports.

After all this is installed with pkg_add (I couldn't find any indication of pkgng work) The supporting software is installed and ready to go.

Now, you get to the Zimbra source.  (All 3 software bundles are tar'd and gzip'd)  Once the ZCS is unpacked, you run install.sh in its root directory and away it goes. 

Once you get by some very strange errors (DNS not configured but it was, you have to force it to be your domain, and some other strangeness), you work out those few issues and find no errors in the install log(s).  Awesome....

The last part of it is the thing starts up and integrates everything....  (This is something truly impressive:  Apache, OpenSSL (certs get gen'd) , LDAP, MySqeel, Postfix, all the spam, virus, etc packages that go with a mail system, and on and on.....  It then tells me everything is running and I have to connect to https://<host>:7071..... it just hangs at that point....  *shrug* 

I've tried debugging it and I've tried over 10 times of going over possible errors.  Nothing.  I tried contacting the author but there seems to be an access issue.

I'll try again soon, however, my company is being built right now....  so I have VERY, VERY LIMITED time.  (Yes, it's PC-BSD and FreeBSD based)  I was hoping to have a full collaboration suite for MS exchange and Outlook drop-in replacement and this looked very promising.  *sigh*

P.




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 From: Chris Rees <[hidden email]>
To: Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]>
Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zimbra Port
 
On 29 January 2013 15:22, Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It looks like they are soooo close here.  Can't ports pick this up and put it in the collection?
>
> http://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_on_FreeBSD
>
> If you look at the Zimbra site for threads there are quite few with people asking for Zimbra on FreeBSD.

At a glance it's a little less trivial than "picking it up and putting
it in the collection" :)

It probably wouldn't be too difficult, but someone would need to make
a tarball of the sources available, which may have licensing issues...
perhaps you could ask the author how he made the packages?

Chris
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Re: Zimbra Port

Jason Helfman-7
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I dug into it hard just a few days ago.
>
> Here's their issues:
>
> Like most people who are "solely" Linux (I'm not solely anything, 25+
> years in sysadmin, architecture, internet engineering, etc.), they don't
> understand where /opt came from and what its true, original purpose was.
> (Additional OS enhancement software - directory was created circa 1990).
> Most of the linux world believes that all additional software goes into
> /opt.
>
> Happily, we have nullfs but more happily, ZFS.
>
> ZFS creating /opt/zimbra or creating a zpool and zfs'ing it, whatever,
> solves this issue.  (In other words, poor use of auto-configuration tools
> and make variables that allow you to define a DESTDIR instead of hardcoding
> it.)  Performing a softlink or other things causes the install to totally
> blow up.
>
> They guy who did the attempt at FreeBSD installation, did a decent job at
> figuring this out.  Everything, performing his procedure works as almost as
> directed.
>
> Things that are not to be liked about it:
>
> He builds specific packages for the install and bundles them up with the
> install.
> He creates three packages for the install, the builddeps, rundeps and
> source.
> He then almost forces you to use these packages and his 'blessed ports
> packages" that he created to get it to install correctly instead of just
> using ports.
>
> After all this is installed with pkg_add (I couldn't find any indication
> of pkgng work) The supporting software is installed and ready to go.
>
> Now, you get to the Zimbra source.  (All 3 software bundles are tar'd and
> gzip'd)  Once the ZCS is unpacked, you run install.sh in its root directory
> and away it goes.
>
> Once you get by some very strange errors (DNS not configured but it was,
> you have to force it to be your domain, and some other strangeness), you
> work out those few issues and find no errors in the install log(s).
> Awesome....
>
> The last part of it is the thing starts up and integrates everything....
> (This is something truly impressive:  Apache, OpenSSL (certs get gen'd) ,
> LDAP, MySqeel, Postfix, all the spam, virus, etc packages that go with a
> mail system, and on and on.....  It then tells me everything is running and
> I have to connect to https://<host>:7071..... it just hangs at that
> point....  *shrug*
>
> I've tried debugging it and I've tried over 10 times of going over
> possible errors.  Nothing.  I tried contacting the author but there seems
> to be an access issue.
>
> I'll try again soon, however, my company is being built right now....  so
> I have VERY, VERY LIMITED time.  (Yes, it's PC-BSD and FreeBSD based)  I
> was hoping to have a full collaboration suite for MS exchange and Outlook
> drop-in replacement and this looked very promising.  *sigh*
>
> P.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Chris Rees <[hidden email]>
> To: Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Zimbra Port
>
> On 29 January 2013 15:22, Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > It looks like they are soooo close here.  Can't ports pick this up and
> put it in the collection?
> >
> > http://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_on_FreeBSD
> >
> > If you look at the Zimbra site for threads there are quite few with
> people asking for Zimbra on FreeBSD.
>
> At a glance it's a little less trivial than "picking it up and putting
> it in the collection" :)
>
> It probably wouldn't be too difficult, but someone would need to make
> a tarball of the sources available, which may have licensing issues...
> perhaps you could ask the author how he made the packages?
>
> Chris
>

I may able to take a look at this. I was a Zimbra Administrator and have
run into a number of issues that I can solve, and maybe can work with you
on the port.

mail/zimbra or java/zimbra lol..... :)

-jgh

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Re: Zimbra Port

pathiaki2
Gentlemen:

I created an account on the Zimbra site and sent mail to the OSS Engineer, Solko, who has done most of the attempted post.  I hope to hear from him soon and get this kicked off.

At the present time, I'm in the middle of performing the buildout of my infrastructure and products for Atlantis Services, my company.  I hope to do FreeBSD/PC-BSD proud. :-)

I hope that "Ports" can pick up the mantle and run with this once I get all the parties to the table.

(Heck, I've done an OK job over the years.... although OpenNMS (Thanks to getting Sevan to talk to ports) is not a complete port, the install is incredibly simple now...  FrontAccounting is getting many of my client QuickBooks users :-)  Zimbra could be yet another great addition to ports.  As I get more feedback from my clients as to their needs, we'll round out even more useful ports for the small business user. )

(Sure my site isn't up, word of mouth is keeping me busy enough. :-) ) 


You gotta love the look of bewilderment:

Not Microsoft?
Free Office Suite?  (OO, of course)
No viruses?
No SPAM?
Free software?
No license fees?

It just keeps getting better.....

So, here's hoping we can get this to go quickly.... 


P.



________________________________
 From: Jason Helfman <[hidden email]>
To: Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]>
Cc: Chris Rees <[hidden email]>; "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Zimbra Port
 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]> wrote:

Chris,

>
>I dug into it hard just a few days ago.
>
>Here's their issues:
>
>Like most people who are "solely" Linux (I'm not solely anything, 25+ years in sysadmin, architecture, internet engineering, etc.), they don't understand where /opt came from and what its true, original purpose was.  (Additional OS enhancement software - directory was created circa 1990).  Most of the linux world believes that all additional software goes into /opt.
>
>Happily, we have nullfs but more happily, ZFS.
>
>ZFS creating /opt/zimbra or creating a zpool and zfs'ing it, whatever, solves this issue.  (In other words, poor use of auto-configuration tools and make variables that allow you to define a DESTDIR instead of hardcoding it.)  Performing a softlink or other things causes the install to totally blow up.
>
>They guy who did the attempt at FreeBSD installation, did a decent job at figuring this out.  Everything, performing his procedure works as almost as directed. 
>
>Things that are not to be liked about it:
>
>He builds specific packages for the install and bundles them up with the install.
>He creates three packages for the install, the builddeps, rundeps and source.
>He then almost forces you to use these packages and his 'blessed ports packages" that he created to get it to install correctly instead of just using ports.
>
>After all this is installed with pkg_add (I couldn't find any indication of pkgng work) The supporting software is installed and ready to go.
>
>Now, you get to the Zimbra source.  (All 3 software bundles are tar'd and gzip'd)  Once the ZCS is unpacked, you run install.sh in its root directory and away it goes. 
>
>Once you get by some very strange errors (DNS not configured but it was, you have to force it to be your domain, and some other strangeness), you work out those few issues and find no errors in the install log(s).  Awesome....
>
>The last part of it is the thing starts up and integrates everything....  (This is something truly impressive:  Apache, OpenSSL (certs get gen'd) , LDAP, MySqeel, Postfix, all the spam, virus, etc packages that go with a mail system, and on and on.....  It then tells me everything is running and I have to connect to https://<host>:7071..... it just hangs at that point....  *shrug* 
>
>I've tried debugging it and I've tried over 10 times of going over possible errors.  Nothing.  I tried contacting the author but there seems to be an access issue.
>
>I'll try again soon, however, my company is being built right now....  so I have VERY, VERY LIMITED time.  (Yes, it's PC-BSD and FreeBSD based)  I was hoping to have a full collaboration suite for MS exchange and Outlook drop-in replacement and this looked very promising.  *sigh*
>
>P.
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Chris Rees <[hidden email]>
>To: Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]>
>Cc: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 2:23 PM
>Subject: Re: Zimbra Port
>
>
>On 29 January 2013 15:22, Paul Pathiakis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> It looks like they are soooo close here.  Can't ports pick this up and put it in the collection?
>>
>> http://wiki.zimbra.com/wiki/Zimbra_on_FreeBSD
>>
>> If you look at the Zimbra site for threads there are quite few with people asking for Zimbra on FreeBSD.
>
>At a glance it's a little less trivial than "picking it up and putting
>it in the collection" :)
>
>It probably wouldn't be too difficult, but someone would need to make
>a tarball of the sources available, which may have licensing issues...
>perhaps you could ask the author how he made the packages?
>
>Chris
>

I may able to take a look at this. I was a Zimbra Administrator and have run into a number of issues that I can solve, and maybe can work with you on the port.

mail/zimbra or java/zimbra lol..... :)

-jgh

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