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awarecons
As of official http://www.opera.com/docs/linux/plugins/install/#java

Java plug-in (Sun/Oracle)

As of Opera 10.50, Opera uses the Java plug-in. Previously Opera used
the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) directly.

The installation instructions for Java on java.com are are correct,
but the configuration step is wrong. Use the following instructions
instead.

Command line instructions to locate the Sun Java plug-in, if installed:
locate libnpjp2.so, or
find / -name libnpjp2.so 2>/dev/null

If Java plug-in is not installed, or you wish to upgrade, proceed as follows:
If you require a functioning BankID, purge your system of all Java
implementations except for Sun Java. In particular, icedtea6-plugin
(including default-jre and openJDK) should be removed.
Download the Java Runtime Environment that is suitable for your system.
Follow the installation instructions, but ignore the section entitled
"Enable and Configure". In what follows, it is assumed that you have
installed Java (version 1.6.0_21) in /opt. If you have a more recent
version, or you install the plug-in elsewhere, you need to modify the
command accordingly.
So that Java will be discovered, type the following commands:
cd /usr/lib/opera/plugins
ln -s /opt/jre-1.6.0_21/usr/java/jre1.6.0_21/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so
---

Plus, http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/manual-plugin-install-linux-136395.html

So, obviously, Opera stopped catching webiced-tea plugin.

java/openjdk6 doesn't have nor option to configure nor libnpjp2.so
plugin itself.

Am I on a right way compiling java/jdk16, which has libnpjp2.so
according to configurable options (WEB "Enable the browser plugin and
Java Web Start" on)?

About Opera
Version information
Version
12.12
Build
1707
Platform
FreeBSD
System
i386, 9.0-RELEASE-p5

Thank you in advance.
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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 01/17/13 13:47, awarecons wrote:
> As of official http://www.opera.com/docs/linux/plugins/install/#java
>
> Java plug-in (Sun/Oracle)
>
> As of Opera 10.50, Opera uses the Java plug-in. Previously Opera used
> the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) directly.
<snip>

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html


7.2.5 Opera

Opera is a full-featured and standards-compliant browser. It also comes
with a built-in mail and news reader, an IRC client, an RSS/Atom feeds
reader and much more. Despite this, Opera is relatively lightweight and
very fast. It comes in two flavors: a “native” FreeBSD version and a
version that runs under Linux emulation.

To browse the Web with the FreeBSD version of Opera, install the package:

# pkg_add -r opera

Some FTP sites do not have all the packages, but Opera can still be
obtained through the Ports Collection by typing:

# cd /usr/ports/www/opera
# make install clean

To install the Linux version of Opera, substitute linux-opera in place
of opera in the example above.

The Adobe Flash plugin is not available for FreeBSD. However, a Linux®
version of the plugin exists. To install this version, the
www/linux-f10-flashplugin11 port has to be installed, then install the
port www/opera-linuxplugins:

# cd /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin11
# make install clean
# cd /usr/ports/www/opera-linuxplugins
# make install clean

You can check the presence of the plugin: start your browser, enter
opera:plugins in the location bar and press Enter. A list should appear
with all the currently available plugins.

To add the Java plugin, follow the instructions for Firefox[0].

[0]:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#moz-java-plugin
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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Jakub Lach
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People actually still use browser java plug-ins/ they actually work?

Life never ceases to amaze.

Seriously though, I see no place for them in modern operating
systems at all. Awful security record, as well as required only
by obsolete and broken by design things.
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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Michael Gmelin-2
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:19:33 -0800 (PST)
Jakub Lach <[hidden email]> wrote:

> People actually still use browser java plug-ins/ they actually work?
>
> Life never ceases to amaze.
>
> Seriously though, I see no place for them in modern operating
> systems at all. Awful security record, as well as required only
> by obsolete and broken by design things.
>
>
>
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Java plug-ins are horrible indeed, unfortunately some entities -
especially business banking - don't get it and still deliver new
applications written for Java-plugins (this happened to us recently, the
original version of the software was HTML and the updated version is in
Java now, it's slow like hell and with all the security leaks around
it's a nightmare to administer people's machines to run dual browser
setups etc.).

For Joe Consumer it's fortunately mostly gone now.

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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
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On 01/17/13 18:19, Jakub Lach wrote:
> People actually still use browser java plug-ins/ they actually work?
>
> Life never ceases to amaze.
>
> Seriously though, I see no place for them in modern operating
> systems at all. Awful security record, as well as required only
> by obsolete and broken by design things.
<snip>

Such as Opera? Regardless of your thoughts on java plugins vs. directly
calling the run-time environment.

If the Opera developers decided to go the plug-in route instead of using
the JRE directly, there isn't much else to be done except use the
plug-in if you want Java support.

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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Jakub Lach
You are missing my point. Opera couldn't just outright
stop 'supporting' Java plug-ins (more like Java content,
believe it or not, but using plug-in or JRE is secondary
here), but they are not ones responsible for this
environment deployment.

I know FreeBSD as a project should document to the
it's best ability all possible use cases one could be
forced into (including using Java plug-in).

I think it does good job mostly.

<rant>

That doesn't stop me from a little rant on the side,
though...

And hopefully it goes my way:

http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-javaruntime/all/all

But that doesn't stop people from installing plug-in
en masse, which starts to defy reason:

http://www.statowl.com/plugin_overview.php

<rant/>
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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 01/18/13 05:55, Jakub Lach wrote:
> You are missing my point. Opera couldn't just outright
> stop 'supporting' Java plug-ins (more like Java content,
> believe it or not, but using plug-in or JRE is secondary
> here), but they are not ones responsible for this
> environment deployment.

No, I don't think I did miss your point. The Opera developers didn't,
from the OP, they switched from JRE to plug-ins. The Opera developers
can be the only ones because they are the only ones developing Opera.
Certainly Oracle isn't forcing anyone to use the plug-in  over the
run-time environment.

> I know FreeBSD as a project should document to the
> it's best ability all possible use cases one could be
> forced into (including using Java plug-in).
>
> I think it does good job mostly.

I think they do an excellent job.

> <rant>
>
> That doesn't stop me from a little rant on the side,
> though...
>
> And hopefully it goes my way:
>
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-javaruntime/all/all
>
> But that doesn't stop people from installing plug-in
> en masse, which starts to defy reason:
>
> http://www.statowl.com/plugin_overview.php
>
> <rant/>

To be honest, I'm not interested in plug-in-vs.-run-time-environment
arguments. Having been knee-deep in the browser wars and having
advocated Linux (and more recently, FreeBSD) over any other operating
system, I just couldn't give a rip about any such arguments over
anything else (including OS and browser preference) anymore. I'm more in
the "best tool for the job, with a favoring of copyfree licensing over
any other all else being equal" camp now-a-days. If something stops
supporting something I felt critical, if there is a better (or
technically equal but better licensed) alternative, I'll just switch to
it. It just happens to be the OP wanted Jave RE for Opera instead of the
plug-in model and may have found a hackity-hack way of doing so despite
the Opera people moving to the plug-in model. Given your view of
plugins, if you don't want to extend the functionality of your browser
through them, that's fine. You may even have a point about their awful
security. I have no such concerns. Not because I have no concerns about
security, but because I take other steps to mitigate my exposure to
malicious web sites.

Also, I'm partially insulted by your logic that somehow installing a
plug-in of any sort "defies reason." There are many reasons people will
install the Java plugin. I happen to want to be able to play Runescape
(a very popular browser-based MMO). That and the fact some other
websites (like, last time I visited, the Small Business Administration
website along with a few others) do use Java, I would like to be able to
view them (it's the same reason I use Flash, not because I like it, but
because it's necessary for my being able to visit various websites).

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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

awarecons
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As it was mentioned above: since Opera 10.50 it doesn't use Java
directly, hence it looks for a special Java plugin file libnpjp2.so
and ONLY!

The problem is that the file libnpjp2.so residues in
linux-sun-jre1[67] only, not in openjdk nor diablo nor jdk16 editions,
though available is non-native only.

Cut from opera:plugins (java/linux-sun-jre16):
Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_38
Description: The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers.
Architecture: non-native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libnpjp2.so

Of course it fails to start properly and crashes after is called.

A try to nspluginwrapper it fails:

nspluginwrapper -v -i /usr/local/linux-sun-jre1.6.0/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so
*** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnpjp2.so: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
*** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnpjp2.so: cannot open shared object
file: No such file or directory
nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libnpjp2.so

Opera 12.12 rejects classic plugin file javaplugin-oji.so and
IcedTeaPlugin.so (tested).

It would be keen to update the Handbook part 7.2.5 Opera of
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html,
that it doesn't support java/icedtea-web anymore?

All the steps from Handbook had been taken, and IcedTeaPlugin.so is
caught by FireFox, SeaMonkey, Chromium... but Opera 12.12
.
Additional Notes from Oracle
(http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/manual-plugin-install-linux-136395.html):

The classic plugin file was located here:

<JRE>/plugin/i386/javaplugin-oji.so


__This file should no longer be used and all symbolic links to it removed__.


Thank you.

2013/1/18 Joseph A. Nagy, Jr <[hidden email]>:

> On 01/17/13 13:47, awarecons wrote:
>> As of official http://www.opera.com/docs/linux/plugins/install/#java
>>
>> Java plug-in (Sun/Oracle)
>>
>> As of Opera 10.50, Opera uses the Java plug-in. Previously Opera used
>> the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) directly.
> <snip>
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html
>
>
> 7.2.5 Opera
>
> Opera is a full-featured and standards-compliant browser. It also comes
> with a built-in mail and news reader, an IRC client, an RSS/Atom feeds
> reader and much more. Despite this, Opera is relatively lightweight and
> very fast. It comes in two flavors: a “native” FreeBSD version and a
> version that runs under Linux emulation.
>
> To browse the Web with the FreeBSD version of Opera, install the package:
>
> # pkg_add -r opera
>
> Some FTP sites do not have all the packages, but Opera can still be
> obtained through the Ports Collection by typing:
>
> # cd /usr/ports/www/opera
> # make install clean
>
> To install the Linux version of Opera, substitute linux-opera in place
> of opera in the example above.
>
> The Adobe Flash plugin is not available for FreeBSD. However, a Linux®
> version of the plugin exists. To install this version, the
> www/linux-f10-flashplugin11 port has to be installed, then install the
> port www/opera-linuxplugins:
>
> # cd /usr/ports/www/linux-f10-flashplugin11
> # make install clean
> # cd /usr/ports/www/opera-linuxplugins
> # make install clean
>
> You can check the presence of the plugin: start your browser, enter
> opera:plugins in the location bar and press Enter. A list should appear
> with all the currently available plugins.
>
> To add the Java plugin, follow the instructions for Firefox[0].
>
> [0]:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html#moz-java-plugin
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>
> Joseph A Nagy Jr
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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 01/18/13 09:06, awarecons wrote:
> As it was mentioned above: since Opera 10.50 it doesn't use Java
> directly, hence it looks for a special Java plugin file libnpjp2.so
> and ONLY!
>
> The problem is that the file libnpjp2.so residues in
> linux-sun-jre1[67] only, not in openjdk nor diablo nor jdk16 editions,
> though available is non-native only.

Are you saying the handbook instructions for enabling java in Opera do
not work, then?

> Cut from opera:plugins (java/linux-sun-jre16):
> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_38
> Description: The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers.
> Architecture: non-native
> /usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libnpjp2.so
>
> Of course it fails to start properly and crashes after is called.
>
> A try to nspluginwrapper it fails:
>
> nspluginwrapper -v -i /usr/local/linux-sun-jre1.6.0/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so
> *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnpjp2.so: cannot open shared object
> file: No such file or directory
> *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnpjp2.so: cannot open shared object
> file: No such file or directory
> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libnpjp2.so
>
> Opera 12.12 rejects classic plugin file javaplugin-oji.so and
> IcedTeaPlugin.so (tested).
>
> It would be keen to update the Handbook part 7.2.5 Opera of
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html,
> that it doesn't support java/icedtea-web anymore?
>
> All the steps from Handbook had been taken, and IcedTeaPlugin.so is
> caught by FireFox, SeaMonkey, Chromium... but Opera 12.12

You're doing something wrong, than. Opera 12.12 on my system catches
java/icedtea-web I just installed Opera, launched it, and checked the
plugin list[0,1].

> .
> Additional Notes from Oracle
> (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/manual-plugin-install-linux-136395.html):
>
> The classic plugin file was located here:
>
> <JRE>/plugin/i386/javaplugin-oji.so
>
>
> __This file should no longer be used and all symbolic links to it removed__.
>
>
> Thank you.

[0]: http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/problems/opera-version.png
[1]: http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/problems/opera-plugins.png
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awarecons
>Are you saying the handbook instructions for enabling java in Opera do not work, then?

Seems to be so in the case.

>You're doing something wrong, than. Opera 12.12 on my system catches java/icedtea-web I just installed Opera, launched it, and checked the plugin list[0,1].

I've installed the same vers. of plugin:
icedtea-web-1.3.1   A free Java plug-in and Java Web Start for OpenJDK

And, as it was mentioned above, IcedTeaPlugin.so is caught by FireFox,
SeaMonkey, Chromium and Epiphany even)) except Opera.

List of plugins caught:
Refresh plug-ins
Disable Shockwave Flash
Description: Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
Architecture: non-native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libflashplayer.soapplication/futuresplash
spl

Disable VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.32.0)
Description: The Totem 2.32.0 plugin handles video and audio streams.
Architecture: native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libtotem-cone-plugin.soaudio/midi midi,mid

Disable Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (compatible; Totem)
Description: The Totem 2.32.0 plugin handles video and audio streams.
Architecture: native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libtotem-gmp-plugin.sovideo/x-msvideo
avi,asf,wmv

Disable DivX® Web Player
Description: DivX Web Player version 1.4.0.233
Architecture: native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libtotem-mully-plugin.sovideo/divx divx

Disable QuickTime Plug-in 7.6.6
Description: The Totem 2.32.0 plugin handles video and audio streams.
Architecture: native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.sovideo/mp4
mp4,mpg4

Disable DjView-4.9
Description: This is the DjView-4.9 version of the DjVu plugin. See DjVuLibre.
Architecture: native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/nsdejavu.soimage/x-djvu djvu,djv

Enable Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_38
Description: The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers.
Architecture: non-native
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libnpjp2.soapplication/x-java-vm

Enable Adobe Reader 9.5
Description: The Adobe Reader plugin is used to enable viewing of PDF
and FDF files from within the browser.
Architecture: non-native
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/nppdf.soapplication/pdf pdf

Disable Adobe Reader 9.5
Description: The Adobe Reader plugin is used to enable viewing of PDF
and FDF files from within the browser.
Architecture: native
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.nppdf.so

Obvious diff. is in arch (i386) and osvers. (9.0-REL-p5), but it would
be strange if it really matters in the case...

May there be such dependence that java/icedtea-web needs to be
installed _strictly_ after browser(s) installation, not before?

2013/1/18 Joseph A. Nagy, Jr <[hidden email]>:

> On 01/18/13 09:06, awarecons wrote:
>>
>> As it was mentioned above: since Opera 10.50 it doesn't use Java
>> directly, hence it looks for a special Java plugin file libnpjp2.so
>> and ONLY!
>>
>> The problem is that the file libnpjp2.so residues in
>> linux-sun-jre1[67] only, not in openjdk nor diablo nor jdk16 editions,
>> though available is non-native only.
>
>
> Are you saying the handbook instructions for enabling java in Opera do not
> work, then?
>
>
>> Cut from opera:plugins (java/linux-sun-jre16):
>> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_38
>> Description: The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers.
>> Architecture: non-native
>> /usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera/libnpjp2.so
>>
>> Of course it fails to start properly and crashes after is called.
>>
>> A try to nspluginwrapper it fails:
>>
>> nspluginwrapper -v -i /usr/local/linux-sun-jre1.6.0/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so
>> *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnpjp2.so: cannot open shared object
>> file: No such file or directory
>> *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libnpjp2.so: cannot open shared object
>> file: No such file or directory
>> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libnpjp2.so
>>
>> Opera 12.12 rejects classic plugin file javaplugin-oji.so and
>> IcedTeaPlugin.so (tested).
>>
>> It would be keen to update the Handbook part 7.2.5 Opera of
>>
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html,
>> that it doesn't support java/icedtea-web anymore?
>>
>> All the steps from Handbook had been taken, and IcedTeaPlugin.so is
>> caught by FireFox, SeaMonkey, Chromium... but Opera 12.12
>
>
> You're doing something wrong, than. Opera 12.12 on my system catches
> java/icedtea-web I just installed Opera, launched it, and checked the plugin
> list[0,1].
>
>
>> .
>> Additional Notes from Oracle
>>
>> (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/manual-plugin-install-linux-136395.html):
>>
>> The classic plugin file was located here:
>>
>> <JRE>/plugin/i386/javaplugin-oji.so
>>
>>
>> __This file should no longer be used and all symbolic links to it
>> removed__.
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>
>
> [0]: http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/problems/opera-version.png
> [1]: http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us/images/problems/opera-plugins.png
>
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>
> Joseph A Nagy Jr
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Re: www/opera ISSUE Java Plugin missing

Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 01/18/13 13:19, awarecons wrote:

>> Are you saying the handbook instructions for enabling java in Opera
>> do not work, then?
>
> Seems to be so in the case.
>
>> You're doing something wrong, than. Opera 12.12 on my system
>> catches java/icedtea-web I just installed Opera, launched it, and
>> checked the plugin list[0,1].
>
> I've installed the same vers. of plugin: icedtea-web-1.3.1   A free
> Java plug-in and Java Web Start for OpenJDK
>
> And, as it was mentioned above, IcedTeaPlugin.so is caught by
> FireFox, SeaMonkey, Chromium and Epiphany even)) except Opera.
<snip>
> Obvious diff. is in arch (i386) and osvers. (9.0-REL-p5), but it
> would be strange if it really matters in the case...

I don't think it would, but I only installed Opera to prove on my system
whether or not Opera was catching the plugin. I think it's one of the
worst browsers in existence (next to IE).

> May there be such dependence that java/icedtea-web needs to be
> installed _strictly_ after browser(s) installation, not before?
<snip>

I installed the icetea-web plugin after I installed Firefox and haven't
touched it since then except for updates. I absolutely didn't issue a
single command except to launch Opera after I installed it. So when I
say I just installed Opera, that is all I literally did.

Check ~/.opera/pluginpath.ini

this is what mine looks like
[Paths]
/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/symlinks/opera=1
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/opera=1
/usr/local/lib/npapi/symlinks/linux-opera=1

I have no idea if Opera catches any of these paths, these are the
defaults upon install.
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